Kia ora, and welcome to Second Time Around. I am Patricia Ngata, I was a school principal for nineteen years, and in 2019, a year after I retired, I got a phone call at eleven at night and became a parent again to two small children. This show is for grandparents who have had that call, or something like it, and who are raising their mokopuna when they thought that part of life was done. In this first episode I will tell you my story, and then I am joined by Moana from Auckland, who took in three grandchildren over one weekend. We will talk about the paperwork, the school, the money, and the grief that nobody gives you permission to feel. Make a cup of tea. You are listening on Witspeak Podcasts.