Welcome back to Second Time Around. I am Patricia Ngata. In the last episode Moana and I talked about the first month, and the thing we both got wrong was the legal side. I went eight months without being able to sign a school trip form for my own grandson. So today I have Hemi Walker with me, a family lawyer in Rotorua who has helped dozens of grandparents through this, and he is going to explain, slowly and in plain English, the difference between just having the children, having guardianship, and having a parenting order. What each one lets you do at the hospital and the school, what happens if a parent comes back, and how to get it done when you are on a pension. You are listening on Witspeak Podcasts.